Secrets

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We Received a Threat from a JFJ Representative

"So tell me, who's the stalker? You courageous(?) people who supposedly have the guts to 'expose' Jews for Jesus (all done anonymously of course, for fear of being stalked by the 'terrorists' Jews for Jesus)? Or, Jews for Jesus who have no problem identifying themselves or have any interest (much to your dismay) in bothering you?

I know the names of many of the people in this blog site and exJFJ site. If you keep that blog you set up in any way, shape or fashion I promise you I will name all that I know. It's time YOU stopped the viscious slander and time for anyone who comes into this site know exactly who is responsible for it.

Arleen Getzel*
(people with NOTHING to hide, hide nothing)"

Persecution

II Timothy 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
In my service with Jews for Jesus I was privledged to suffer persecution for our Messiah Yeshua's sake. I was threatened repeatedly with "if you are still here when I come back, I'm going to put you through the wall." (They never did come back). I was cussed out by people in orthodox Jewish garb who displayed the middle finger of ...fellowship. People tried to wrestle my gospel tracts out of my hands. This all was not hard to endure. But the sadness I suffered after I left missionary staff when old friends abandoned me because I no longer served with them on Jews for Jesus staff was much more difficult to endure than any threats from unbelievers.


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A Letter From an Ex Jews for Jesus Blog Reader

We have received written permission to post this to our blog:

'...How to begin to THANK you, for the link,and the insight gained from reading the Ex-JFJ blogs.I'm glad you wrote to warn about "cult" mind control. I never realised what a VICTIM, my poor departed Mother was. Jews for Jesus had her totally under their control,whilst not really accepting her.

I never realised that not only they had alienated her from us, her daughters, husband and family, they also took most of her money,whilst she was still alive. At least they never got their greedy hands on my inheritance, a bit of a miracle in itself. I only wish somehow, my mother and I had made our "peace" before she passed away, but she was no longer speaking to any of us, by that time, having already (tried) to cut us out of her Will.

Again, thanks for posting those links.

If you even touched just ONE person,(and you did, because you touched ME, and that's not by mistake.........) you have done an immeasurable good deed. I am indebited.'


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A letter from an Ex Jews for Jesus Blog reader

We have received written permission to post this to our blog:

'...How to begin to THANK you, for the link,and the insight gained from reading the Ex-JFJ blogs.I'm glad you wrote to warn about "cult" mind control. I never realised what a VICTIM, my poor departed Mother was. Jews for Jesus had her totally under their control,whilst not really accepting her.

I never realised that not only they had alienated her from us, her daughters, husband and family, they also took most of her money,whilst she was still alive. At least they never got their greedy hands on my inheritance, a bit of a miracle in itself. I only wish somehow, my mother and I had made our "peace" before she passed away, but she was no longer speaking to any of us, by that time, having already (tried) to cut us out of her Will.

Again, thanks for posting those links.

If you even touched just ONE person,(and you did, because you touched ME, and that's not by mistake.........) you have done an immeasurable good deed. I am indebited.'


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What happened to your favorite Jews for Jesus speakers?

What happened to your favorite Jews for Jesus speakers?

Check out the Jews for Jesus website and you'll notice that many of your favorite Jews for Jesus speakers are no longer with the organization. What happened to them?

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If you see someone passing out Jews for Jesus literature, you should...

In my lifetime, I have passed out religious literature in airports and many other places......thousands of religious leaflets have been passed from my hands and from the hands of almost every former Jews for Jesus worker.

Remind yourself that there is a real person inside the poor souls passing out JFJ religious literature for a JFJ's leaders at airports/street corners/college campuses.

Their lives are controlled and they live in terror most of the time. Most can't live their lives without being controlled and most don't feel there is any choice but to remain in JFJ.

If you are moved at all next time you see a individual standing out in the rain/cold/snow/airport/heat passing out JFJ religious literature...tell them they can leave the Jews for Jesus.

Tell them that Jews for Jesus is not really their friend or family and there is a life outside of Jews for Jesus.

Leaving Jews for Jesus does not mean that a person needs to stop loving Jesus and sharing about Jesus.


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Would you like to start your own Ex Jews for Jesus blog?

If you start your own Jews for Jesus or Ex Jews for Jesus blog, tell us the the link and we'll announce it for you on this blog.

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JFJ Staff Members observed/witnessed...

Staff members observed Moishe Rosen smashing a wooden chair.

Staff members observed Moishe Rosen spanking a female volunteer.

Staff members observed Moishe Rosen slapping various volunteers and
employees in what was referred to as "pain training." In one incident, a
volunteer suffered a broken ear drum as a result of these slaps.

Staff members observed Moishe Rosen pushing an employee out of his chair
and onto the floor.

Staff members observed Moishe Rosen ordering an employee to pour a pitcher
of water over a drunk man's head. (The employee refused).

A staff member witnessed Moishe Rosen throwing a pipe at him.

A staff member witnessed Moishe Rosen throwing a telephone through a plate
glass window.


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No good comments?

There have been very few good comments on the new GOOD about JFJ blog.

http://goodjewsforjesus.blogspot.com/

So...does that mean there is very little good to say about Jews for Jesus?

Why

If Ex-Jews For Jesus is merely a group of disgruntled former employees, then why:

• are there so many of us?


• do more former staff arrive every year, telling stories of how the environment has not changed?


• is there never any serious self-examination on the part of Jews for Jesus' leadership. Instead, there is only discrediting the aggreived as imbalanced or part of a "conspiracy."


• do people over the span of four decades all share similar experiences of being publicly humiliated?

Why?


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Treated as professionals

Professional Missionary?

A definition of a professional in our society involves extensive training and being mentored and nurtured to be knowledgeable and competent in a given field. Professions, in our society, include physicians, lawyers, pharmacists, dentists, and ministers.

These people enjoy great respect in our society, We tend to believe them because of their training, education, credentials, and commitment to ethical behavior. They are "professional."

Why is JFJ seemingly the only religious organization that does not treat its ministers as professionals? Why do they choose, too often, to deal with their highly trained (maybe even regimented) ministry staff with suspicion and supervision appropriate only for a habitual alcoholic or a habitual liar?

I've heard that JFJ used to have as part of its worker's covenant, that they would treat their workers appropriately as ministers of the Gospel. That is, until one worker left citing that JFJ had broken their covenant with him and their treatment of him was not in keeping with his position as a minister of the Gospel. Needless to say, that phrase was quickly deleted from the Worker's Covenant. And for YEARS I heard this ex-staffer's name reviled by an executive as being the worst kind of covenant breaker! I found out the last tirades of this executive against him to the staff occurred when he sent Moishe a letter forgiving him of his sins against him.

Professionals in our society are given high discretion work. So why are the professionals in JFJ not given any discretion in their ministry? For example, they are given an extremely short window of time to minister to someone while on the street, and time limits on personal visits to minister to people off the streets. No exceptions. Why does JFJ train, then over-supervise, staff, allowing no or little professional discretion? JFJ does not allow their missionaries to manage their own lives or to live up to professional standards. Rather, they constantly need to validate their workers, making sure that the worker complies with every jot and tiddle of their policies and procedures in every aspect of their life.

Imagine a pastor needing to account for every 15 minutes of his day, having an elder periodically search his briefcase, or his bedroom unannounced. Or needing to tell his board how many letters he wrote, phone calls, and the nature of the ministry, how many rest home patients he visited, and their spiritual status. Then he would get feedback if he had used his time wisely. It would be ridiculous. And no pastor would stand for it for professional reasons. Also, because that kind of supervision is inefficient, and counter-productive; wasteful of his time that could be better spent doing his job: To minister.

Ministry is a spiritual service. How can a minister be regimented by rote procedure, and not use his objective training, to try to find ways specific to that situation to solve problems? Why is the Holy Spirit not allowed to lead a worker to spend two hours, with a person in need?

And why does JFJ require theological training for all of its missionaries? They never get to use any of the training. They never get to preach, except for one entirely scripted message that cannot be altered. Not even one word! The only reason for the training that I can think of is so that JFJ can force the new missionaries to continue working for them in order to pay off their educational loan!

In effect, JFJ may really have many 10 year interns, and no MINISTERS in the field at all!


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Good about Jews for Jesus blog

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Leaving

Recently I said good-bye. No, not good-bye to Jews for Jesus....I did said good-bye to JFJ long ago.

This time I said good-bye to a place and people I once thought the world of.

As I said good-bye, I wondered why I was leaving. Was what I am moving on to really better?

I'm not sure, but I do know, that although others seem to be content with a place and people that frustrated and angered me, that I was unhappy, and needed to move on.

In JFJ, each one of us struggled with leaving. Were we really doing the right thing?

As time passes, I believe each one of us knows we made the right decision, but leaving JFJ feels so much like a divorce that it takes a long time to be convinced that leaving was the right thing to do.


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A word of Warning! to young women considering service with JFJ

The women who became leaders in JFJ usually were given a choice.

Opportunity for advancement meant that one agreed to not marry and raise a family.

It has always been known that Susan Perlman was given that choice by Moishe in the early JFJ days and today I see other female single missionaries in the organization that do have leadership roles because of that choice.

There is nothing wrong with choosing the single or childless lifestyle, but it does seem sad to see these women move into middle age (or old age) now without any family (except JFJ). Even women who have left JFJ staff, who were given leadership roles while with JFJ, never did marry. Some of these women, I believe, did want a lifelong partner, but JFJ somehow took their chance to find that partner away when they were young enough to date.

(It can be argued that in the Catholic Church, women make that same choice in order to serve God, but JFJ is a Protestant group.)

JFJ wished these women to only marry approved JFJ men. Once married, a newly married JFJ woman usually was asked to not have children for a certain period of time so that JFJ did not waste time or money on that woman.

Within the JFJ system and hierarchy, a single woman could become great. It does seem sad, however, that a husband and wife could not minister together. Yes, opportunities to minister were given to all JFJ staff wives in some way eventually.

If you are a young woman thinking of serving with JFJ, do consider the consequences of the choice you are about to make.


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It's a bird, it's a plane....NO....it's....it's....it's....JFJ Super-Missionary!

Look at that van on the freeway.....

It's a bird, it's a plane....

No....it's....it's... JFJ Super-Missionary!

Able to pass out over 600 flyers in 2 two hours, able to recite 13 page scripts in less than 45 minutes, able to write 80 postcards a week, able to lead four people to God in less than 30 seconds....yes...it's true!....its JFJ Super Missionary!

Disguised as a mild-manered Jew who also believes in Jesus, JFJ Super-Missionary is committed to spreading some truth and also the JFJ way.


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Rage-aholic

If you have been reading the newspapers or watching the news on television, you know that John Bolton is President Bush's nominee for the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. And you also know that his nomination is in danger because of reports that he often becomes uncontrollably angry toward his subordinates, has in many cases tried to get them fired for minor annoyances, and in general does not seem to have the temperament for someone that most of us would want for the position of ambassador to the U.N.

Bolton seems to be, in my opinion, a "rage-aholic." And he has his defenders, those who, like President Bush, say that getting angry at a subordinate has nothing to do with one's qualifications for the job of U.N. ambassador. In fact, his defenders say, getting angry is just part of life; all of us get angry at one time or another, and sometimes anger serves a useful purpose. All strong leaders will exhibit this emotion in the heat of the moment. Nothing to be ashamed about, nothing that should deny the man a job.

But most of us, I suspect, realize that exhibiting the kind of anger that Bolton is accused of *is* something to be ashamed of. It's a character flaw, one that can be emotionally and vocationally fatal. It can ruin friendships, mess up marriages, and destroy the self-esteem of children. And it can create an unhealthy atmosphere in the work environment.

What's the connection to Jews for Jesus? Well, if you've read the stories at http://www.exjewsforjesus.org or the postings on this blog, you know that the Executive Director of Jews for Jesus is also a "rage-aholic." I'm referring to Moishe Rosen primarily, but also to David Brickner (mini-Mo) to a lesser degree (and anyone who aspires to leadership in JFJ). Throwing chairs and pipes and other objects, screaming at subordinates in public and private, firing people on a whim, this is the modus operandi of the Model Jews for Jesus Leader. It's not seen as a bad thing. In fact, it is seen as something that can be used in a manipulative sort of way, to achieve results that might otherwise not be achieved. Instilling fear in others, for one. If your subordinates are scared of you, they will often do whatever you want. It's the modern version of the King who could order a servant to be tortured or killed if they didn't do exactly what he said to do.

And why don't most Christian leaders have a problem with this Jews for Jesus style of management. I suspect that one reason is because many of them subscribe to the same sort of philosophy, or have the same sort of "anger management" tendencies.

When John Bolton gets denied his job at the U.N., maybe he can apply for a job at JFJ.

The Sayings of Chairman Moishe

(1) You are not tired, you are bored.

(2) People do not come to your events to hear you people preach!

(3) Someone get me some sushi, NOW!

(4) The Bible says nothing about vacations.

(5) If I hear you say El Dub Dub again, I'll cram your fist down your throat!

(6) Rent in San Francisco is about the same as anywhere else.

(7) Postal cards in Five minutes!

(8) That was a hostile statement. You need to deal with your hostility.

(9) Your desktop is a fire hazard.

(10) There is a principle here for my unbiblical behavior.

(11) You are wrong and here's why....

(12) What did you learn? .... No, what you learned was ....

(13) Most of you are recreational sleepers. You need a lot less sleep than you think.

(14) Get me some sushi. NOW!

(15) Affirmation can act as a de-motivator.

(16) 45 minutes is more than anyone needs for lunch.

(17) There are 2 kinds of workers: lazy and inefficient.

(18) Desktops are not storage space.

(19) Conflicting verbal directives are no excuse for your failure.

(20) Get me some sushi. NOW!

Mind Control

How does Jews for Jesus control minds?

It happens slowly and in subtle ways.

First the innocent person experiences a sense of belonging to a wonderful group of Jewish believers. Jews for Jesus seems the best of the best and the person wants more of Jews for Jesus.

As time passes, the person is convinced that JFJ's methods are the best methods and the words of JFJ leaders are the same as God's words.

Once that happens, the individuals will do anything and agree with anything JFJ says and does.

If one questions what JFJ asks one to do, even if the directive may seem wrong to the individual, somehow JFJ's leaders get the person to see how wrong even questioning is.

What is sad is that friends controlled by the organization can become enemies. Anyone who questions JFJ at all is looked at as a threat and is explained away or fired.


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Ceil wrote....

Someone in Ex Jews for Jesus received this description of Moishe from Ceil Rosen in 2003. Ceil gave the receiver permission to share what she wrote.

"Moishe is not the monster you may have thought him to be. After being married to him for 52 years, I can tell you that he is not a cruel person. He does not deliberately hurt people. He does have a high sense of what ought to be, especially in the ministry he founded. It's called principles to live by. If he ever wanted "control", it was quality control over a God given ministry, not control over individuals and their lives.

Because of the initial immaturity of the hippie generation of people JFJ began with, Moishe may have acted at times more like a caring father than just an employer, but there was never malice intended. I think he truly loved the staff as though he were their parent, and when he acted as such, it was not always appreciated, and perhaps not always warranted.

Nevertheless, any organization worth its salt must have one CEO who can and does make decisions on how it will be run. In any business or religious organization there can only be one "boss." Employees who don't care to accept that leadership are always free to leave. When a person enrolls in school or enlists in the armed services, that individual is bound to follow the
rules. You can quit school; you can't quit an enlistment in the service, but you don't have to re-enlist if you don't want to! Life is like that, full of commitments (marriage, etc.). "

Editor's note: No comment feature on this one. Just one wife's perspective.


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